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obama will be deadlock. but i it's something he said to john boehner leaving any room for compromise? if politicians don't take us over the cliff, will the unions? what the they're planning this k in from boston to houston threatening to strike you in the wallet. eric: read the headlines and they say that president is giving up his vacation takes toe a fiscal cliff deal, but is there any room for negotiation? let's talk about it a little bit. >> the president is heading back to washington to attempt a last-ditch effort with speaker boehner to forge some compromise to avert a fiscal cliff which will kick in in six days if nothing isone done. those are the headlines are we talking about is cutting his vacation short in tha and that l well and good. is there anything that can be done because they really seem to be at an impasse before christmms, the republicans in the houseors, imploded and a ve, very tight spot and i suspect if there is to be a deal it'll be a pretty on powering one for all involved. eric: john boehner, putting it up on the screen. $800 billion in tax revenue on the t
before heading home for christmas, but no deal of course. after house speaker john boehner called off his push for a plan b last week saying the ball is now in the democrats' court. there has been no movement toward any deal. democrats want tax hikes for the wealthy. republicans want spending cuts. and some in the gop say the president doesn't want to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all of this additional tax revenue for new programs and he gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years and he gets to blame republicans for it. >> president obama for his part said he is optimistic a deal can still be reached. he spoke at the white house friday before leaving for hawaii where he is now. but at the same time the president acknowledging there might not be time for any kind of a grand bargain. he scaled back his goals and pushing not for the big deal, but for middle class tax cut and extended ben
john boehner seem so close to getting a deal done. they were really close on taxes and entitlement reform. we saw that last week house speaker john boehner couldn't get his plan b through the house. aides tell me right now president obama does not feel as though he has to compromise much more. he believes he has the leverage because he won reelection. >> on taxes i know it is hard for the republicans but the president ran on that platform. 250. no taxes for people below but taxes above. he won. 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls including some republicans. >> reporter: there is also a lot of skepticism among lawmakers. senator joe lieberman said he thinks the country is closer than ever to going over the cliff. the last time interestingly that lawmakers worked between the christmas holiday and new year's was in 1996. that is, of course, when they were dealing with the government shut down. politics will be put aside this morning. the president, a lot of members of congress will be attending that memorial service for the late senator. >> kristen welker in hawa
-called fiscal cliff we have been talking about, after failing to get enough support for his plan, john boehner now says it is up to democrats to come up with a solution. with the deadline just days away now and the president and congress home for the holidays, do lawmakers have enough time to reach a comp nize? how would it work? national correspondent steve centanni may be the only person left in washington. steve. >> reporter: it feels like it, the president is in hawaii and congress is out of town and the fiscal cliff negotiations are on hold for the holidays with no agreement in sight. john boehner is throwing the ball in the democrats' court saying the debt is too high, spending out of control and taxes should not go up. in the g.o.p.'s weekly address, he accused the president and the democrats of refusing to accept a reasonable compromise. >> the best way to address our crippling debt is to make significant spending cuts and fix our tax code. to pave the way for long term growth and opportunity. this is an approach most americans support and remains republicans' highest priority. but we
through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of the great sub plots of these entire negotiations is personal things that boehner and mcconnell have in these negotiations. obviously, mcconnell doesn't want to have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry reid got this through the senate,
to this meeting? harry reid was sounding pessimistic early in the day. then john boehner calling the house back sunday evening with a vote scheduled after 6:00 p.m., setting up a late sunday session or a lot of fireworks on monday. guest: the redskins-cowboys game is on sunday night. each side staked out a public position it had to stake out. use it at the end there's a sentence saying, but we will talk or negotiate. nothing unusual here to me. i think right now they are doing what they have to do publicly. we do not know what those people in the room at the white house are going to say and that is the key. host: the speaker will attend this meeting. he said the house has passed legislation to avert the fiscal cliff. now the senate must act. senator reid said it is up to the house. explain what is going on. guest: i cannot read john boehner's mind. let's say the senate takes up something where you extend all the rates for a year but you increase the rates for people making $500,000. let's say that passes the senate. 75 votes. they sent it to the house. are republicans in the house going to be t
connell and john boehner representing the republicans. brianna keilar is live from washington. is anybody optimistic that a deal could be done today around a table? >> i will tell you the optimism is sort of sinking. senate majority leader harry reid said he doesn't see how it can get done by january 1st. we heard from president obama before he left from his vacation that he was optimistic. logistically the white house will tell you it's possible. when you listen to what you're hearing some of these congressional leaders say, there's a lot of posturing laying blame to the other side if we do go over the cliff. take a listen. >> republicans are not about to write a blank check for anything senate democrats put forward because we find ourselves at the edge of the cliff. >> we are here in washington working while the members of the house of representatives are out watching movies, watching their kids play soccer, basketball, doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> now, house speaker john boehner is saying the senate needs to just take up a house pass bill that has already passed t
. and in the republican address, house speaker john boehner focusing on a yet to be decided plan to avert the so-called fiscal cliff, saying it's now up to the president and democratically controlled nate senate to come up with a solution. >> what the president has offered so far simply won't do anything to solve our spending problems and our nation's crippling debt. instead he wants more spending and tax hikes that will hurt our economy and reduces the challenges of his party to deal honestly with the entitlement reform and the big issues that are facing our nation. that's why we find ourselves here today. >> jamie: there's just nine days left. can the lawmakers work out a deal before it's too late? angela mcglowan is a fox news analyst and michael meehan ceo of ben square communications, and advisor to senator john kerry, quite a week for him. angela, before i talk to you, is whether or not a deal could happen before it's too late, is that question moot? >> no, it isn't, jamie. a deal can happen and i believe that a deal will happen. i'm going to make a statement that president obama made abou
to unprecedented. i have never seen a speaker be pushed back on as hard as what happened to john boehner this week. host: let me read you this, it is available online at thehill.com -- the activists are seeing that speaker boehner and other republican leaders are too scared about suffering politically if the nation goes on the cliff. $500 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts that are triggered in january. now that his plan be legislation has failed, these conservative republicans say that they should be empowered to make big demands and stop keating to the present -- to the president. -- caving to the president. guest: i am not sure that makes sense to me. you need to get something to the house republicans, and the president has to sign something. if that does not happen, then you have a very large tax increases, a lot more than they were talking about in their negotiating, and you have the defense cuts that happen over time and some other non-defense cuts, and you have this huge amount of revenue, deficit reduction, it is hard to see what demands the republicans think will be easier to make, th
to democrats produces different from that which the republicans would use. a speaker john boehner has said over and overcome in the past record lows speaks ill of this congress are not imposing new regulations are increasing taxes. that's one way of looking at it. the way most people look at it i tested two bytes record of popularity approval rating is that this is a congress that has been defined by dysfunction in gridlock, a congress in which half a loaf has never been better than none. there were compromises really seem to be a foreign policy, naming a policy for him to the world's great deliberative body. >> you actually think that people are granted 2010 it got elected or the people ran before and it now ascended to positions of leadership believes that go with a solution or they were like that to not do things i supposed to do things? >> well, again, from a class of 2010 and our effort to the the 87 freshman, the so-called tea party class of the 112 congress, their belief is they are doing precisely what the people who elected them did, which is rolled back obama initiatives, cut spending
and deficit reduction. >> reporter: remarks came after speaker of the house john boehner failed to bring plan b to the floor. it would have raised taxes on those americans making more than $1 million a year. >> we had a number of our members who just really didn't want to be perceived as raising taxes. >> reporter: the two sides left blaming each other for inaction. democrats said the failure in the house pointed for a need for more compromise by the gop. >> republicans got the message loud and clear. >> reporter: he said the next move needs to come from the president. >> he is the only one who can do it. this isn't john boehner's problem to solve. >> without a deal tax hikes and spending cuts are set to trigger after january 1. in washington. >>> just released figures show the price of a home in november rose to the highest level since 2008. data show the average sale price for a single family home in november was $883,000. that is up 16% from 2011. the price of condos rose 40%, $468,000. a lack of inventory is driving the spike. >> reporter: investors -- >>> investors reacted badly that no
: remarks came after speaker of the house john boehner failed to bring plan b to the floor. it would have raised taxes on those americans making more than $1 million a year. >> we had a number of our members who just really didn't want to be perceived as raising taxes. >> reporter: the two sides left blaming each other for inaction. democrats said the failure in the house pointed for a need for more compromise by the gop. >> republicans got the message loud and clear. >> reporter: he said the next move needs to come from the president. >> he is the only one who can do it. this isn't john boehner's problem to solve. >> without a deal tax hikes and spending cuts are set to trigger after january 1. in washington. >>> just released figures show the price of a home in november rose to the highest level since 2008. data show the average sale price for a single family home in november was $883,000. that is up 16% from 2011. the price of condos rose 40%, $468,000. a lack of inventory is driving the spike. >> reporter: investors -- >>> investors reacted badly that no deal was reached in the fiscal
'm not one of the people who jump all over john boehner. i thought he was making a good- faith offer. it was flatly rejected. part of this is about revenue. a huge part is budget cuts and reductions. this is something erskine bowles has been emphasizing. you have to make substantial cuts. host: the headlines in the papers this morning talk about the fiscal cliff negotiations and should the speaker retain his leadership. do you think he should? guest: i do not know. this has hurt him, for sure. you could argue there are more compelling person. host: like who? guest: the guy that used to work for me, paul ryan, is a very well spoken young man. there are other people. tim scott, congressman from south carolina. but there are others. i was saying on my radio show we have a strong bench. the bench is now in the field. those guys are out there. bobby jindal and scott walker susana martinez. new kind of republicans. they understand the modern world a little better. there are lots of candidates. who the speaker is matters less than the party getting back to its core message. host: return to
an hour. afterwards president obama said he was modestly optimistic. by passing house speaker john boehner who has had trouble getting his fellow republicans to agree to anything, the president called on senate majority and minority leaders harry reid and mitch mcconnell, to lay out a deal. >> if we don't see an agreement between the two leaders and the senate, i expect a bill to go on the floor. and i have asked senator reid to do this. put a bill on the floor that makes sure that taxes on middle class families don't go up. that unemployment insurance is still available for two million people. and that lays the ground work for deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. but let's not miss this deadline. >> as for the leaders they sounded a bit more hopeful than the president. >> i think it was a very positive meeting. there was not a lot of hilarity in the meeting. everyone knows how important it is. it is a very serious meeting and it would take an extended period of time as you know, waiting for us. >> i share the view of the majority leader. we had a g
to the call of the chair. >> reporter: congress recessed after republicans rejected john boehner's compromise. he proposed letting tax cuts expire for those making over $1 million a year. other republicans say it's time for a deal. >> i agree with him. i don't think we ought to increase taxes on anyone. however, we're now at a point where we're not going to get what we think is right for our economy and our country. >> with congress coming back, the president will also reportedly cut short his holiday vacation in hawaii. democrats hope mr. obama will continue to fight for a complete agreement, not just a temporary patch. >> i definitely hope that he can and will continue to push for as big a deal as possible, but you've got to remember now, we're just a few days away. >> if no deal is reached over 2 million americans will lose their jobless benefits and workers will see a 2% cut in take home pay as social security payroll taxes go up january 1st. jennifer johnson, nbc news, washington. >> well, around this time of year, there is a big surprise that happens on the rockefeller center ice skatin
visited troops in hawaii over christmas after a frustrating week on capitol hill. he and speaker john boehner about $100 billion. >> the president was $200 billion in revenues. speaker boehner $100 billion in spending cuts. >> reporter: tough decisions ahead. six days left. and lawmakers are now saying they will likely address tax reforms and spending cuts in the new year when the debt ceiling debate gets going. reporting live in washington. i'm danielle leigh. richard, back to you. >> danielle, thank you. >>> a note was left by the suspected shooter that killed two firefighters christmas eve in new york. here's nbc's ron mott with more details. >> reporter: police say the christmas eve ambush of four volunteer firefighters attacked as they arrived to battle a fire in new york. >> was a rage be interno out there. >> reporter: it was spell out in chilling details. >> quotes, i still have to get ready to see how much of the neighborhood i can burn down, and doing what i like doing best, killing people. >> reporter: authorities say 62-year-old william spengler who spent time for killing
cuts would also be postponed. house speaker john boehner will be at the meeting today. the house will convene for a rare sunday evening session. house majority leader eric cantor says the house could be in session until january 2nd, the day before the new congress is sworn in. boehner, meanwhile, maintains that it's up to the senate to act first. >>> millions of americans may watch the ball drop new year's eve in times square, but a group of democrats is organizing its own ball drop on capitol hill. they'll launch their countdown today. their ball represents republicans dropping the ball on middle class families should lawmakers fail to reach a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. >>> new this morning, iran's state television is reporting the country's navy started training drills in the strait of hormuz. that area sees 20% of the oil pass through it. the state tv report says that the programs include more ships, submarines and jet fighters. they've warned other ships to stay away from the site until after the new year. >>> melissa mollet joins us from the live desk with more. good mo
of house speaker john boehner butler county, ohio, currently under a blizzard warning. house republican leaders holding a conference call earlier today on the fiscal cliff, but so far they have not yet called on lawmakers to return to capitol hill. but they have said they will give a 48 hour warning if they plan to do that the white house saying the president is cutting his holiday vacation in hawaii short to return to d.c. to work on a deal to try to stop those automatic tax hikes and deep spending cuts from kicking in on january 1st. and if they don't reach a deal before then, many economists say we will dip back into a recession. i had henly house republican leaders didn't have a lot of new information for their lawmakers. they would have 48 hour notice if they are needed to pray back to washington from various districts around the country. that tells us they are being noncommittal at this point because they frankly do not know whether or not there will be a deal to avert the fiscal cliff. now, after that conference call. the house speaker john boehner, his number two eric cantor the
faced over past three decades politically. gregg: what of john boehner though? steve latourette, who said, the same 50 or 60 chuckle heads who always screw things up, speaking of the tea party group. >> yeah. gregg: he said it is not really the speaker's fault. is it the speaker's fault? >> well, look, i think boehner was, he is in a bad spot. there are no good outcomes here for republicans. there have been no good policy outcomes for republicans. i watched the steven latourette comment, one of the things that struck me, these are the guys, 50 or 60 chuckle heads came here and screwed things up. the presumption congress was working just fine before they arrived. i would argue that it is nice we have people in congress who are actually serious about looking at the long term consequences of our overspending over these past couple of decades. that is where the real problem is. he can say they're stubborn and not willing to compromise and all things he said repeatedly as he made those criticisms but the reality is they're actually trying to solve the long-term problem. he may not like th
something smaller in the wake of speaker john boehner's failure on so-called plan b last week. they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday night and president basically said everyone should calm down, cool off over the holidays. take a listen. >> everybody can cool off. everybody can drink some eggnog, have some christmas cookies, sing some christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones and then i would ask every member of congress while they're back home to think about that. think about the obligations we have to the people who sent us here. >> reporter: so, sing some carols today. probably will be some eggnog. here in hawaii, maybe back in ohio where john boehner is likely celebrating the holidays as well but they have got to seriously get back to work over the next couple days and top white house officials say we can expect t
.o.p. the collapse is a serious blow to house speaker john boehner who hoped to gain leverage in his discussion with president obama and signals conservative republicans are inwilling to stomach any rise in tax rates even on those making more than $1 million which was mr. boehner's plan. so walk us through what happened on friday. how did we get there? and it seems like the speaker of the house didn't see this coming, and a lot of folks in washington want to know why not? guest: we begin the week with the speaker of the house saying negotiations between he and president obama had stalled. they were stuck on their -- i guess i would say maybe not their final offers but current offers. boehner said he would raise taxes on those making a million a year or more and get all told $1 trillion in tax increases which he wanted to be matched with $1 trillion in spending cuts and the rate increases on those making $1 million or more and remove loopholes and deductions to get the rest in revenue and then you had your spending cuts. the president, sort of depends on how you do your math and counting, but t
republicans. >> reporter: all eyes now turning to the possibility since speaker john boehner was not able to get enough republican votes to move forward with a plan late last week, that maybe now the senate will have to workout a compromise between harry reid, mitch mcconnell the democratic and republican leaders, and the president who is here in hawaii when you talk to his staff they say it's very likely some time after spending christmas with his family, whether it's the middle or later part of this week he's likely to head back to washington to sit down with congressional leaders and try to work this out. >> reporter: it's a bit encouraging for a lot of folks who were wondering about that question. i'm curious is there anyone on the island that is critical to the fiscal talks that joined the president on this trip or is everything being done electronically? >> reporter: most electronic leave. the one interesting point is when i mentioned the memorial service for senator inouye the person giving the oo eulogy was harry reid. they may have got even a chance for a little private time. the
and with budgeted talks in disarray, president obama and speaker john boehner are searching for a way to avoid tumbling over. >> we move forward together or we don't move forward at all. so, as we leave town for a few days to be with our families through the holidays. i hope it gives some perspective. >> we propose plans that democrats used to support but now they won't. i don't want taxes to go up. republicans don't want taxes to go up. but we only run the house, democrats continue to run washington. >> gregg: national correspondent steve centanni joins us live from washington. >> reporter: d.c. may be some shutting down for christmas but the clock hasn't stopped and fiscal cliff is closer than ever. no deal was reached this week to keep taxes from going up. joan boehner pulled plug on the plan "b" and he says it is now up to the president and g.o.p. is continuing to hammer away at president obama. >> this is the year size of our debt surpassed the our economy. a grim milestone if we don't come to grips to w it. the president's plan to raise tax rates ko could still be as far as eye could see
't raise taxes and we shouldn't raise them at all but can't do more than john boehner's plan b, and didn't go to a vote. >> one for million. icle >> it would raise you billion in revenue. they were not for it in the first place but maybe get something through if obama willing to cut. obama administration said if you pass it in the house and september passed it, obama would veto it anyway. they are so far apart. this i am flying back from hawaii and see if i can bring them back together. they are far apart as they have been. >> kelly: why are they having the meeting? because of the talk and rhetoric is ramping up and the agreement is going down. i mean, for example, senate majority leader harry reid is name calling and calling john boehner a dictator . this is what he had to say. >> the american people i don't think the house representative is operating without the house of representative. it is being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker not allowing the vast majority of the house and representatives to get what they want. >> that sounds ridiculous f. it was a dictatorship boehner
happened this week with john boehner's failure to bring even a vote on so-called plan b to be an embarrassment for the speaker, but you think that the g.o.p. dodged a bullet here? >> yeah, they dodged a serious bullet here in in case, when you think about it one of the most appealing quality of their brand they're principally opposed to tax increases that we don't have a revenue problem that we have a spending problem. to be on record as voting for a very anti-growth tax increase, i think, would imperil their house majority. >> and stf with just new years avenue, december 31st he. but he says actually the drop dead is the 27th to do the technicalities they have to do to pass by the end of the year. december 27th, that's just really a few minutes away. are they going to be able to do anything by then? >> they clearly could do something, but i think it's important for the republicans at this point to sit back and realize they've made a compromise. president obama walked away. now, the ball is in his court to actually give them something much better. if not these tax increa
's remarks on the ongoing negotiations. now, some house debate concerning the fiscal cliff and john boehner's alternative that would have raised taxes on annual incomes of more than $1 million. this is about one hour. >> i'm not doing a sesame street skit here. this is what we're talking about. i think about planning a which is what the majority in the house of representatives has been trying to implement. it is very simply a plan designed to put into place that democrats and republicans say they support. that is meaningful, strong, bold plans for a simple, fair tax code. the president supports tax reform and taking the top from 25% to 30%. majoritysay we in the have been trying to put into place a real, meaningful tax reform that can ensure people can reduce rates and generate domestic growth. the trouble with that is our plan a has been designed to bring about a reduction of size and scope and the reach of the federal government. everyone knows what that means. real entitlement reform. plan a consists of two simple things. pro-growth tax reform that will keep taxes low for individuals and
to do something to keep the oce going? >> well, let's see, the republican house speaker john boehner, the democratic minority leader, nancy pelosi, have to nominate new board members and approve one another's selections. both have said they're going to do it, but so far, there's been little movement on either side, randi. >> and when does the reauthorization of the board members need to get done? >> the terms of the outgoing board members expire on december 31st. for the oce to keep going, people need to be in place by the end of the year, which means congress needs to get going in the current lame-duck session. >> so in terms of how this works, though, the oce refers its investigations to the house ethics committee, right? some critics say the oce is an unnecessary duplicate body, really. are they right? >> that's exactly right. oce is an outside nonpartisan group that investigates ethics allegations and reports those findings to the ethics committee, usually recommending either to look into the matter further or just drop the case. the reasons nancy pelosi pushed for it and the hou
war in a weekend. >> dave: he can get it done but there is still john boehner and the house republicans. i'm not modestly optimistic. anything through the house at this point. >> juliet: like lindsey gram said two days ago when you call a meeting publicly in washington it usually turns out to be the dog and pony show or theater basically. honestly calling at this late hour. they met for an hour. what could really go down in that type of meeting? things can go down but really, it's just at the edge. they waited so long. they all went on their vacations. >> clayton: here are some things on the table to answer those questions perhaps. generalities. we don't know what's been tabled. democrats still strong about this. they say they were, yeah, here is -- take a look at this. keeping tax cuts for those making $250,000 a year or less. we know that's there. that may shift because we are hearing from republicans they may be willing to go as high as $500,000 a year. of the extended. >> dave: that's my guess. >> extending unemployment tax benefits for 2 million folks still unemployed.
. and john boehner, the speaker out house, the individual with whom the president is negotiating for, gosh, a year and a half now and trying to do a lot of things and trying to avert the fiscal cliff, no plans announced for him to return to washington. the house of representatives, their public stand, the republican leadership at any rate is that it is up to the senate to act. and the president before he left for hawaii last friday pointed out that there is a senate bill. he said he'll try to get a smaller bill and does what he said all along and raise tax rates on those couples filing jointly making more than $250,000 a year and extending unemployment benefits, something that is very important to a lot of americans who have been out of work for a very long time. one problem there, thomas. the very same bill or very near identical bill passed the senate last summer and languishing in the house of representatives. the threshold question has been and remains will the house of representatives stroet do something that a majority of republicans would go against? highly unlikely, thomas, and mor
for congress' performance are different from that which the republicans use. as speaker john boehner has said over and over, the second pass a record low number of those pixel of the congress that were not imposing regulations and not increasing taxes. that's way one of looking on it. the way most people look at it attested to by record low popularity approval rating is that this is a congress that has been defined by dysfunction of the law, a congress in which has never been writer than none and where compromise is really seem to be a foreign-policy, a policy foreign to the roast great deliberative body. >> to think of people who ran in 2010 and got elected with the people who ran before it ended now ascended to of leadership leave no with a solution or they were elected to not do things as opposed to do things? >> again, from the class of 2010 and now i refer to the 87 freshman, the so-called tea party class of the 112 congress, their belief is they are doing precisely what the people who elected them wish to do, which is rollback obama initiatives to cut spending. a lot of them thought the
there is signs of progress and republican house speaker john boehner said plans don't do enough to address the key problem. nasa's government spending that could impact future americans . >> what the president offered so far will not resolve the spending problems . it will hurt our economy. a failing to reach a deal by december 31st would trigger tax hikes and spending hikes . and they say they are willing to continue to work toward a deal . the question is can they get it done in a time. here's steve in washington. will president obama focus on the fiscal cliff? do we know? >> probably not: there will not be done to much -- and president arrived in honolulu. within to his rented vacation home. he left washington last night after scaling back . it is still possible . he's focusing now on a middle class tax hike and extended unemployment benefits. and this congress laws can only pass for democrats and republicans and that means no one gets 100 percent of what they want. everybody has to give a little bit in a sensible way. we move forward together or we don't move forward at all . >> they a
on the democratic side. house speaker john boehner, mitch mcconnell representing the republicans. brianna keilar live from washington. what do we expect to happen today? any new offers from the president or house speaker? >> we don't know. right now, all eyes on the senate to see what senate majority leader harry reid can cobble together to get some republican support. technically, it's still possible to come to an agreement. that said, politically is a different story, and the prospects for coming to a deal are starting to dim. right now, we're hearing a whole lot of the blame game. a lot of public posturing from both sides as they prepare for the possibility of going over the cliff. let's listen to harry reid. >> we are here in washington working while members of the house of representatives are out watching movies and watching their kids play soccer and basketball and doing all kinds of things. they should be here. >> now, the speaker of the house, john boehner, sort of retorting to reid, ali. in a conference call he said the leaders should do more -- or pardon me. less talking and more legis
of the reason, just like i don't believe john boehner actually does the house speaker. there is this group in the middle, first of all they are not sure where the political blame would lie. it could end up on them and they want want to have that happen. second of all these are deal mayors. they came to washington to get deals done. and they see the result, the goal as a deal to get past this rather than looking at the numbers. the folks on each side eve are looking at the numbers and they say the deficit would be in better shape and the economy in the long run is in better shape. they are looking long term. the deal makers in the center are looking right now and say they are scared of the political consequences and we are not quite sure how the numbers end up, the last thing we need is a rescission. >> reporter: steve vin dinin in washington. thank you. >> reporter: new information on a horrified christmas eve tragedy as a note left by this ex-con suggests that he planned to kill first responders and possibly some of his own neighbors when he set this massive inferno, it happened on monday
speaker john boehner would allow a vote on this plan on the house floor, knowing that so many house republicans oppose o. jim. t nancy cordes with the president in hawaii. thank you. farmers will also feel the impact if lawmakers fail to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. bimultibillion-dollar aid bill may be a casualty of the casuemate. the ripple effects would be felt far from the fields. we asked anna warner to look into that. >> reporter: eagle lake, texas, depends on rice. it's been grown here since the 1800s. drought is usually the biggest threat, but the nervous talk in the drugstore now is about congress. >> without the farm bill, it really makes it uncertain for ehat you should do next year. >> reporter: steve is a pharmacist here and a rice farmer. the people are nervous. >> very nervous. wh reporter: what are they saying when they're coming in? what are you hearing? >> "what do we do?" you know, they don't know what to do. ht's so uncertain right now that the banks don't know what to do. the farmers don't know what it do. they're out there plowing the land, getting it all
to doctors. house speaker john boehner said they've had no communication with senator reid. >>> the exconwho ambushed and killed two volunteer firefighters in upstate new york may have murdered his sister. her body was found yesterday, and police say william spamglor had the same kind of military rifle used in the connecticut school massacre. he left behind a chilling note. >> reporter: the christmas eve fire in western new york burned seven homes to the ground, but police say william spangler wanted to do much worse. he planned to burn down the entire neighborhood and "do what i like doing best, killing people." the 62-year-old shot at firefighters from a nearby bank. he killed two of them before taking his own life. police found his note and three guns, including a bushmaster rifle, similar to the weapon used m connecticut school shooting. >> he is a convicted felon. he had murdered his grandmother in 1980. he bludgeoned her to death with a hammer. >> reporter: he served 17 years in prison, and after being released moved in with his sisters. investigators found the body in the charred rubb
? is it john boehner? was it mitt romney? don't bet on it. the real boss is a man other woman in the back row of a tea party meeting. the angry one who stands up and scalds him. it's that angry voice rising up from the back of the room that haunts the tea party-backed republican. do they want to be the person who voted with the party leadership? or, worse yet, the democratic president? or do they want to vote against all of that? no taxes? no deals, no compromises. no nothing. period. this is the wall that those of the tea party have raised up. they can't vote for what they campaigned against, spending money on government. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> tonight, in new york city, welcome to "politics nation" second annual revvie awards. it's the best and the worst in politics, 2012. look, all the big stars are on the red carpet. donald trump is in the unreality show category. paul ryan's pumped and ready to go. what's with the hat there? >> and what's an awards show without this guy. he survived a really rough y
. president obama, house speaker john boehner, were very close to getting a deal. president obama had given a little on entitlement reform, house speaker john boehner had given a lit until terms of agreeing to increase taxes. but they just couldn't get to the finish line. ultimately, everything sort of fell apart. i've been speaking to aides at the white house who say president obama doesn't feel as though he needs to give in a whole lot more because he won the election and he ran on a platform of increasing taxes on those making $250,000 or more. chuck schumer addressed this issue earlier today. take a listen. >> on taxes, i know it's hard for the republicans, but the president ran on that platform, $250,000. no tax increases to people below but taxes for people above. he won 60% of the voters said they were for it in the exit polls including some republicans. >> reporter: so again there is senator chuck schumer. so certainly still big topic of conversation despite the fact that everyone is now on recess. alex, yesterday we spoke to some folks who said this is really weighing on them as th
? the republican leadership, mitch mcconnell and john boehner and the whole rest of them made an unholy alliancalliance. they said instead of watching the tea party rise up and become a third force in american politics, which is what says, they said we're going to try to bind these two things together. we don't wants it to sflit apart the right. we try to pretend like we're one party. they're clearly not one party. john boehner may get re-elected as speaker, but he has no more authority to control the caucus to get them to stroet for his own budget proposals than he does today. the optics may change and we'll go over the cliff and taxes go up and they're presented with the ability to lower taxes and john boehner won't have any authority because he tries to run two parties and not one. until republicans deal with na and until the leadership says we made a mistake, these are a different group of people and have darch the agenda for us, they stop us taking national power. until that happens, we'll be in the mess for a another couple of years at least. >> i totally agree with that. i think
the president to john boehner, the house speaker, before negotiations collapsed. it would do a few other thing like take care of the alternative minimum tax, protect taxpayers from the expansion of that burden. it would also raise medicare reimbursements for doctors or prevent them from falling, rather, extend unemployment benefits. the irony is that this is a much worse deal for republicans than they could have had earlier because it's not likely to include spending cuts or reforms of entitlement programs. at this point, republicans are knowing that they'll lose the tax debate are trying to figure out what are the least bad terms they can lose on. >> you mention that income level of $400,000. earlier, the speaker of the house had floated what he called the plan b that would allow cuts to expire on those making $1 million or more. republicans would not support that. why would they support this? >> well, many of them will not support this. but the dynamic that they're looking at is one that if you have a bipartisan bill go through the senate and a significant number of republican senators vote
sign that legislation into law. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner also headed home after a bruising week. his own conference refused to back his proposal, which would have allowed taxes to go up on the wealthy, delivering a stinging blow to his leadership. today he faulted the president and congressional democrats for the impasse. >> unfortunately, the president and senate democrats have vowed to reject and veto all of our proposals while failing to offer responsible solutions of their own. >> reporter: the prospects for a deal remain grim. on friday senate republican leader mitch mcconnell said his strategy forward is unclear, but stressed time is running out. >> the u.s. economy is at stake here. millions upon millions of families are counting on us to do something. >> reporter: while the president expressed measured confidence -- >> call me a hopeless optimist but i actually still think we can get it done. >> reporter: many americans say the uncertainty in washington has cast a cloud over their holiday season. >> i think it's sad because there's no reason that an agree
. a lot of negotiations have been between the president and speaker john boehner. >> november 16 was the last time and the only time they met. it's going to happen? we expected bombshell announcement? no. the thing to watch is are they going to keep talking? will these they are we going to see everyone tomorrow? in 1994, they would go to andrews air force base, can't david, but they would keep talking. -- camp david, and it would keep talking. what will happen on the floor of the house and the senate? the senate has to take a pay bill, and then it, and send it back. when they agreed to that? a third thing we need to watch is the tone. if everybody says they're hopeful, that is important i go back to last friday, after speaker boehner's plan b, which would have taxed millionaires had a higher rate, fizzled. he had a press conference that was angry and criticizing democrats, but at the end he said he was hopeful, and that was the news. host: maybe we should send your dog in the meeting. guest: she wants to know who will pay for dog food next week. host: if there is no agreement, wh
of representatives said, and i have it here somewhere, i don't want to be critical of john, meaning john boehner, but if you don't ever bring something to the floor without the votes. so this is what happened last thursday night where he brought this bill to the floor, his plan b, and it went nowhere. was that a major miscalculation for him? >> it was. look, denny was the speakner nea different time. he could hand out projects to districts of wavering members. and he had a very tough leadership team that went out and got the votes. boehner is not a strong leader. he doesn't have the pork and the earmarks anymore since they've been banned. and a lot of the incoming -- or the folks that came in in 2010, the tea party folks, they look at the tom delay are era and say -- >> they're both long time qulil wat capitol hill watchers, and we have to ask you are you seeing any sway now in following boehner? is he losing support? >> obviously the fact that he thought that he would be able to bring the bill last week to the floor to raise taxes on everybody making a million dollars or more and then had to pu
a solution that can pass the congress. he is the only one that can do it. this isn't john boehner's problem to solve. he has done his part. he has bent over backwards. mr. president, how about rallying your party around a solution. how about getting democrats to support something? >> and as of last night at that white house statement, president obama did say there was still time to make a deal between now and the end of the year. but he also made chris tall clear that nothing is going to happen until at least after christmas. back to you. >> alisyn: all right, peter. thanks so much. john boehner is going to have to have some spiked eggnog i think starting today. >> he is in a tough spot. >> he is in a very tough spot. >> especially when you see some of the reports this morning that republicans aren't willing to go on the record for wanting him out of the speakership. >> there is no replacement for john boehner. who is going to take the house and bring them together? >> weather. people are concerned about it as they are heading home for the holidays. the storm system that pounded the midwest
of the way the government would operate. i only have one speaker at a time. it is john boehner. >> is one particularly effective? >> one of the most important pieces of that is speakers who are willing to reach out to members and seek your advice and counsel and input, those speakers have a way of having a lasting impact upon the place. i have >> how about presidents under which you have served? >> ronald reagan. i had the honor of serving with him and he signed air quality district act for southern california. the first preschool program in the country was signed by ronald reagan. people hardly believed that but he was willing to use government in a way that was responsive to real challenged that government should be dealing with. i was proud that we had a chance to work together in connection with some of that. >> if you look across, it's a lot of history, 34 years altogether, is there a time when you look back and say those are the best years. those are the ones i enjoyed the most. >> every year that goes by it amazes me that i am still here. i did not plan to be here this long. if i d
at this point is not in discussion with not only speaker john boehner but the senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell and perhaps because of that, you have some of that pessimism of senator liberman being shared by republicans. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes and sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. gets additional tax revenue, gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years and blame republicans for it. >> now, all eyes are now on the senate, which will reconvene on thursday. seen as likely that president obama will head back to washington from hawaii here. senate minority leader harry reid has the task of trying to conjure up something that might be able to pass the house in addition to the senate publicly. the white house is saying they want tax rates to remain in effect for those making up to $250,000 per year, but it's unclear if that's something. very unclear, very unquestioned that house republicans could swallow that. we're hearing aing you significant possibility we g
and democrats about how to avoid going over the cliff. before the christmas break, speaker john boehner was unable to get enough support from respects to pass his plan and help said it was up to the white house and the senate to avert the cliff. so now harry reid is believed to be crafting a plan of his own. it's expected to extend bush-era tax cuts. it would also include short-term spending cuts instead of the massive cuts that would occur if there is no deal. it would also patch up the alternative minimum tax that will hit even more middle class families and schedule a drop off for doctors. >> if republicans do give in and support the deal being put together by harry reid that deal is expected to be far less favorable than the potential deal they had been working on with president obama. >> republican strategist, frank luntz has been talking with voters, what is the chance you see this becomes the new compromise? >> i'm not sure if hooert side is watching very closely. we did a survey and we got two interesting questions. one that's very tough on republicans. we a
speaker john boehner failed to get his own bill through the house. so now things are in the s senate's court. leaders there will have to come up with a compromise to avert the tax hikes and spending cuts set to go into effect during the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner, trying to get a big deal, but talks fell apart. so hopes for that have all but faded, the president conceding he would accept a smaller measure as long as it includes taxes going up on the wealthiest americans. if the country goes over the cliff, economists warn it could be dire. the average american would wind up paying about $2,000 more in taxes and eventually, savannah, if we go over the cliff and stay there, the economy could dip back into recession. now, lawmakers are also headed back to d.c. in fact, the senate is back in session tomorrow. savannah? >> short holiday. lot of work to do. kristen welker in honolulu. thank you. willie? >>> former president george h.w. bush spent his christmas in a hospital after a series of setbacks delayed his release. janet shamli
. house speaker john boehner will be back next year and for now, he's thrown the ball into the democrats court and some republicans are saying the president isn't really trying to avoid that fiscal cliff. >> when i listen to the president, i think the president is eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. i think he sees a political victory at the bottom of the cliff. he gets all of this additional tax revenue for new programs and gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years and he gets to blame the republicans for it. >> and independent senator lieberman saying it's likely that it will pass with no action, harris. >> harris: how soon can we expect negotiations to get back underway. >> not until after christmas. and wednesday, most likely on thursday. president obama on vacation in hawaii until after christmas has insisted taxes on the wealthy be increased aen one of his democratic allies said today that position should come as no surprise to anyone. >> on taxes, i know it's hard for the republicans, but the president ran on that platform, 250, no tax
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